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Agent 86
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:09 am Reply with quote
Lil' Birdie Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Posts: 3 Location: Illinois
Can someone please explain the relationship between OCMS and Route 11 boys? Who were the members of Route 11 Boys? Thanks for any info.
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GumboStu
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:50 am Reply with quote
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It looks like the name of collection of songs the boys recorded early on.

See this thread
Discography


I hadn't heard of it til now (thank you Wink )

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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:53 am Reply with quote
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Track listing here:
http://www.oldcrowfans.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1018&highlight=route

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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:19 pm Reply with quote
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One should consider the Route 11 Boys to be the trunk of a tree that has two main branches - one is the Old Crows, the other the Hackensaw Boys.
The Route 11 Boys were Ketch, Critter and the St. Ours Brothers: Robert, Philip and Johnny, who met and played together in Harrisonburg.
Robert St. Ours went on to form the Hackensaws with Tom Peloso and others. They've had many many line-up changes over the years. It's really neat the thing they created - it goes on and on - new people, new songs, evolving old ones, yet old members come in every now and again and pick right up. It's a real hoot to see them in Virginia, because you never know what to expect.
Incidentally, Rob Bullington was playing in a band called Fried Moose and Ward Harrison was in a band called Pieboy (rock and roll) both in Harrisonburg, both contemporary to Route 11 (named from the Valley Pike which runs right through H-burg).
Double incidentally - Route 11 potato chips are pretty awesome - they oughta be the official chip of the OCMSFansForum!


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kg
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:55 pm Reply with quote
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pittsyltucky wrote:
One should consider the Route 11 Boys to be the trunk of a tree that has two main branches - one is the Old Crows, the other the Hackensaw Boys.

That's a really good way of putting it. It's all something like a family tree. It would be interesting to describe their roots. Are you up to another short seminar, 'tucky? Folks want to know. Might even start a good discussion during these quiet days when the boys aren't on tour.

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pittsyltucky
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:09 pm Reply with quote
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Mapping out that family tree would be pretty fun --- and the root system to their music - endless...
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krazykarl
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:06 am Reply with quote
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pittsyltucky wrote:
Double incidentally - Route 11 potato chips are pretty awesome - they oughta be the official chip of the OCMSFansForum!


as long as cheerwine is the official soft drink...
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therodge
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:33 am Reply with quote
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Dem's fighting words!!!!

Dr. Enuf has gotta be! There was a Dr. Enuf sticker on the Crow-Wagon, not a cheerwine* sticker. Right Pittsy?




* Cheerwine is my 2nd favorite soft drink... but Dr. Enuf is more ... favorite

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pittsyltucky
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:25 pm Reply with quote
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We could go rounds on the soft drink war. I'm a Coke man myself - RC is fun every once in a while. Cheerwine sucks so hard it's not even funny. I've tried Dr. Enuf and it won't that great - but I believe there was some kind of Dr. Enuf trash around that thing. I think one of Morgan's old drivers' licenses was the neatest bit of trash in it.
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:59 pm Reply with quote
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blasphemers...all of you! except rodge, he knows what the dr. is about!

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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:49 pm Reply with quote
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your boys drink what you want but i will sit back and drink my Northern Neck Ginger ale!!!!!! thats really what the Dr. ordered!
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pittsyltucky
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:07 am Reply with quote
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Man - Northern Neck ain't been the same for years since old Mr. Carver sold that formula off to Coca-Cola. Closest you can get now is to get a two-liter of that stuff and add a bottle of Goya Ginger Beer to it -- then it tastes SOMEWHAT close to the old formula. You know it doesn't have the bite it used to.
My roomate and I got the LAST two Northern Neck t-shirts there ever will be back in the spring of '02 the same week that Carver sold that formula to Coke... Totally one of those right place at the right time moments. I used to LOVE that stuff - now a major corp has a hold of it and it just ain't the same. Why does something pay millions for the rights to a product and then cut corners on the formula once they "own" it?
I was doing a dam repair project for the VA Dept of Game and Inland Fisheries at the time and it was totally coincidental that the sell-off to Coke was happening at the same time. I found a late 50's - early 60's NN bottle in the millpond while working on that project - it was danged neat.
Once a localized, high-quality product === now a bastardized version of it's former self, distributed nationwide? Anyone notice this in the Coke section outside of the DelMarVa area?
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krazykarl
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:50 am Reply with quote
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The reason i like cheerwine is that you actually feel the enamel rotting away on your teeth as you drink it. Also check out Moxie...it is a great northeast soda...can't say i've ever had a Dr. Enuf, but the marketing campaign displayed here is incredible... Cool
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:58 am Reply with quote
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This one was one of my faves up in Maryland in the 80s and 90s:


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orangina is really big in europe. not to shabby!
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How is that pronounced? Don't say oran-jyna! It's oran-geena, right? I hope?

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It's Orange-in-a (bottle) only you have to say it with an outrageous Frensh accsaunt Wink

Oranzj-een-a (bottle)

HTH

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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 5:45 am Reply with quote
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Thank-god!

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I had the opportunity to pluck some Route 11 Boys history out of Robert St. Ours at the Hackensaws' New Years show. He reminisced about Ketch, Critter and the three brothers loading into a Volvo station wagon and heading to Maine in early January of 1997 - pretty much a wing and a prayer kind of thing. So there was the core (that is, who is on the recording) - I guess Benny would fit into "and some others" at a later time, a "transition" period of sorts - but that would no longer truly be The Route 11 Boys.
The circulating recording of The Route 11 Boys was made in Belfast, ME - a place where, the boys learned, "you can scratch where it itches". Many thanks to Brad from Stimpson Beach, CA who had the foresight to capture the moment.
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:02 pm Reply with quote
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Interesting information there pitts. . . thanks for the update.

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ROUTE 11: GOOD OLD BOYS MAKING GOOD OLD MUSIC

Portland Press Herald (ME) February 6, 1997
Page 14D

When many bands are setting up World Wide Web sites and planning their tours with Machiavellian fines, The Route 11 Boys prefer doing it the old-fashioned way. They threw their banjoes, fiddles, guitars and washboard in the back of a station wagon and drove to Maine from the Shenandoah Valley.

``We were into the cold idea,'' said soft-spoken Phillip St. Ours. ``We just figured people in Maine would be into getting out from hibernation and listening to a good...

And that's as far as it goes, unfortunately, unless someone else wants to use their credit card on the Internet (something I just won't do.) For two bucks we get to see the rest of the article.

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WERU held an auction this past December and one of the items was pretty cool:

"Fiddle autographed by the Old Crow Medicine Show. Donated by Brad Williams of Northport. Back when they were the Route 11 Boys the members of OCMS stayed with Brad for a few months and played a lot of music. Brad took his full size 4/4 fiddle to a recent concert and had it signed. Brad describes the fiddle as a pretty good student fiddle but it may now be a collector’s item. Bidding starts at $40."

http://www.weru.org/documents/SAFallcolor2008.pdf

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Picking up where kg left off:
So I couldn't help myself, I sprung for the full article about the Route 11 Boys. Read below:

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HEADLINE:  ROUTE 11: GOOD OLD BOYS MAKING GOOD OLD MUSIC
PUBLICATION: Portland Press Herald (ME)

SECTION: GO
DATE: February 6, 1997

EDITION: CITY

Page: 14D

When many bands are setting up World Wide Web sites and planning their tours with Machiavellian fines, The Route 11 Boys prefer doing it the old-fashioned way. They threw their banjoes, fiddles, guitars and washboard in the back of a station wagon and drove to Maine from the Shenandoah Valley.

``We were into the cold idea,'' said soft-spoken Phillip St. Ours. ``We just figured people in Maine would be into getting out from hibernation and listening to a good old-fashioned stomping.''
Band members say their first gig was agreed to over a handshake; the deal was music in exchange for food. After the first set, they say, they were escorted to the door hungry. But since then, the community has taken in the quintet with open arms.

``The people have been great to us,'' said Phillip's brother John, who plays the washboard. ``We got a place to stay for a month, and a bunch of gigs lined up. People are really enjoying this.''

``We're living on our knees,'' said the banjo player, Ketcham Secor. ``We wanted the actual life, and we have it here.''

The Route 11 Boys play mostly Virginian traditional music that predates the Civil War - mostly because they mix in fiddler and oldest brother Robert St. Ours' own compositions along with some traditionally arranged covers. They play standing in a circle, trading off lyrics, harmonies and guitar-fiddle-banjo parts. The result is some of the most original barnstorming music this side of the Mason-Dixon line.

``This is basic music,'' Ketcham Secor said, ``music that everybody relates to. People feel at home with this music. It's the stuff you heard on your mama's knee. We came to Maine because there is a big folk tradition here, although yours has a deeper Irish influence. Ours is more African influenced. I play the banjo with a lot drumming on it - the way it was originally played.''

If you can get out on a Tuesday night, the best play to catch The Route 11 Boys is in the Basement at Fore and Exchange streets. With no stage separating the audience from the players, the band will occasionally spread out and mix with the crowd, who last week were whooping it up and joining in the fun.

Tonight, you can catch them at Colby College in the Spotted Dog and Saturday up in Belfast at the 90 Maine.

Given that these good old boys are doing it the way their ancestors did more than 200 years ago, expect the itinerant musicians to move on before the snow melts. In other words, don't miss this great opportunity to catch an ``actual'' band.

Stray picks

Granny Killam's will be re-opening. Just ask the guys from Strangefolk who will be playing there Friday night.

``Everybody has been calling us and asking that,'' said Bret Trafton, brother of lead guitarist John Trafton. ``I guess Granny's doesn't have a phone number.''

Already half sold-out, this will probably be the last time Strangefolk play Granny's. ``We've outgrown the room,'' Bret Trafton said. ``We need seating for at least 700 people.''

They'll be getting that at Colby College Saturday night for an all-ages show. From there, it's off to the West Coast for a tour. Tickets at Granny's are $8.

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Route 11 Boys (Progenitor of the Old Crow Medicine Show) - Little Grille, Aug 21 1997

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Cool find, Whistle.

Thanks for all your updates!

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Thanks GumboStu! Good to hear from you!

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